The Trio of Removed Managers - In Depth

I agree with Gilbz and 4th not being allowed to comeback down and manage but to put Broche in the same light when he has been down here more than he hasn’t in the past two years is dumb. I was going to put Zinc in this but we can all agree that LoL carried him love you buddy.


Gilbz 34 -
NHL Stats 117-62-15
Haven’t been in the AHL since S29
Free Contact in the NHL - 3 Times
Highest NHL $3.5m
Last NHL Contract $3.5m
Management Accomplishments - S31 Presidents as Free Contract

x4thLine -
NHL Stats - 115-65-20
One AHL Season since S29
Free Contract in the NHL - 4 Times
Highest NHL Contract - 5m
Last NHL Contract $5m
Management Accomplishments -
Stanleys - 2
Calder - 1
Presidents - 4 …. S26-S29 in the AHL
Jack Adams - 1

The Broche -
NHL Stats - 106-61-19
Management in the AHL 5 out of the Past 6 Seasons.
Free Contract in NHL - 0
Highest NHL Contract - 5.75m (S26)
Last NHL Contract - $4.75m
Management Accomplishments -
Cups - 0
Presidents - 1 S23 in the AHL

 

@Melvin x 94 built that team, don't let @Gilbz 34 leech off Slim's accomplishments.

 

let the kids play!

 

@TranqzCosted has as good as stats as @The Broche and a cup as a pAGM, why is he allowed to manage?

 

Wasting your time brother, they could care less

 

We got one back

 

All three have an Awesome Factor of 62% to 64%. Are there or can there be objective criteria based on NHL points earned out of points possible which can be used as cutoffs for managing in a lower league?

And @Gilbz 34 appears correct about the inconsistent standards. Tran is a 61% using the same criteria as the above players.

The fairest way to handle it in the future would be to require all potential NHL/AHL managers to sign up as part of one pool. NHL staff then selects the best options for NHL owners, and the next best for AHL GMs. Even then you need some sort of objective criteria.

 

its not like we have a line of awesome managers and players to come down. we have a couple guys that are good people and players willing to manage. The C is expanding which will likely bring down some managers or dilute the management in the C. Management makes the league succeed, let them manage

 

Isn't the idea of the AHL to develop players so they are capable of making the jump to the next level?

Having experienced NHL caliber ownership who know how to play and can teach those skills to their team is extremely valuable. To add to this point is the fact it makes players on other teams better and improves the level of competition throughout the league.

 

true but also not the leagues core goal - their goal is to stabilize and grow their player base which is what competent management and good seasons do. Having bad management could potentially sour the experience for 16 people causing their player base to drop. They aren't making decisions smartly

 

Someone should counter this post with current (s36)/last season (s35) AHL managers to compare and argument

 

Saucing Pucks :
The people that got removed are pissed because they have been planning management stuff for weeks now. Now there GMs get screwed and they Could have resigned with there nhl teams weeks ago if they were denied in the first place. If you guys cant see how messed up that is, youre just being sheep

 

No one should be able to sign up late and dodge NHL or AHL -> this is the cause of most of these problems.

If no one was able to sign up late, you could limit managers to only manage in the last league they were won as a bid.

 

Being allowed to dodge the NHL should be allowed. Being a NHL player trying to be a free contract in the AHL shouldn't. You pay the price as a NHL player entering AHL bidding. Other teams pay the price as a NHL player being a free contract in the AHL. That's the bottom line. I still don't get why successful NHL player even consider coming down, as if it makes any sense, especially 2 that have had constant success up there. Enter bidding if you want to play with your friends. Pay the price of your friends going all out on you. If not, stay where you belong.

 

If we are going to start disallowing individuals to manage due to past AHL experience and NHL experience, lets now begin removing the GM's who have been down here for seasons on end who grab free contracts and have great seasons.

@FrenchMoron :
Season 33: 20-7
Season 34: 21-3
Season 35 : 20-5

@I Nylander l : 1x Calder Cup, 1x Mem Cup
Season 31: 20-7
Season 32: 17-5
Season 33: 21-4
Season 34: 21-4
Season 35: 20-7

@skyre5 :
Season 31: 18-10
Season 33: 19-6
Season 34: 20-5
Season 35: 21-6


All these guys have better or almost the same stats as @Gilbz 34 and @x4thLine in the AHL. But because they went and played a few seasons in the NHL, they can never manage again because of NHL experience?

 

I was a 3rd liner getting carried by @daveydonuts522 in the NHL. Evan won a cup, maybe 2 as a NHL owner. Gulbz had like 1 or 2 seasons in his career in the NHL below 15 Wins. Both managing cup contenders up there. How are you comparing us to those guys? We're successful AHLers. Not successful NHLers. Like I said I have nothing against NHLers playing in the AHL. They should do it through bidding. All that I have said.

 

This is a tough topic, with nothing in the rulebook outlining what does or does not make you eligible for management based on success in higher leagues. Possibly because it's incredibly difficult to use arbitrary numbers to define what is or isn't too successful for a player to be permitted to move down a management level.

Obviously the league as a whole is better off with guys like 4th, Gilbz, Broche, Skyre, etc. taking on management at the NHL level instead of the AHL level. Are they better off now that they have some of these guys not managing at all? Obviously not.

It sucks, but putting a number on the success level just doesn't work, and it's really just up to the BOGs/Commissioners to determine what is or isn't fair. Under normal circumstances for a Summer season in which it's typically a struggle to get owners/fewer signups in general, the idea of letting guys like 4th or Gilbz manage in the AHL is absurd. However, due to Corona, I'm sure signups will be high, and the list of NHL owners looks rather strong this season, so from a league standpoint they should be perfectly fine with allowing guys like 4th and Gilbz to manage in the AHL (even though the owner list would obviously look even better with these two on it).

I haven't spent much time in the AHL, but I'd imagine the thought here is that these "elite" NHLers are taking free contracts in the AHL and likely grabbing another "elite" free contract with them is ridiculously unfair to the other teams with lesser skilled management. Two players don't make an entire team, but it certainly is a HUGE advantage.

How do you compromise? Perhaps let guys like Gilbz/4th manage, but limit who they can take with them as their other free contract (again what numbers are deemed "fair")? Unless the league implements some sort of mandatory relegation/promotion system for managers, this problem will always exist.

 

While I agree dodging the NHL presents a disadvantage due to a high contract, it still should not be allowed. I’ve been here for years and haven’t heard one good reason dodging makes sense except for “just because”, which is basically what you just said. The high contract values for dodgers throw off the spread of contract value. It literally makes no sense to let people sign up late.

 

agreed they should all be forced up.