League Player's REPs

When riv got banned for "knowing" frosty was second tagging. If that was proven that he knew someone can let me know I haven't seen or been told of any proof

 

Well go back and look at the action center that got him banned. Any sort of ban has the evidence linked there for anyone to see. If there isn’t any evidence then he should win an appeal if he decides to use the system.

 

how do you know he 100% knew.

If you got it all figured out and you're fair with every ruling then we don't need a player rep

 

This WAS NOT INTENDED to turn into an FUCK @LG McDonald fest. Its more about players having a voice than making sure you do your job Brodie. If you feel attacked that was not my intention here. I think the league needs to do a better job overall with having a nonpartisan group of players from all around the league to help on judgments. That is my goal.

 

@LG McDonald so you are saying you wont implement this idea or even talk about it with @Tris10 . so far the league overwhelmingly is calling for it. I say put it to a Vote and see what we come up with. Thanks for listening and appeasing me once again.

 

It should be about what the league wants, because soon enough people are gonna get tired of not being heard.

 

For what it's worth, this doesn't work. We had it back in the VHL days. Basically all you did in that position was quote rules to people that didn't know how to read the rulebook.

The bogs have really limited say in anything anyway, so having a voice directed at the bogs is like having an opinion on Facebook. They're button pushers that enforce rulings made by those above them and they do clerical things like trade processing, position changes, etc.



With or without this position, the direction of the league is decided by @LG McDonald. Unfortunately we all kinda know PSN is an afterthought to Xbox and an after afterthought to money leagues. So this position would basically be a "Hey, go talk to Brodie and have him tell you no all the time"

 

Its literally been you arguing with rago and telling others that their ideas are not as good as yours

 

Is this real?

 

once again BRODIE stop getting defensive. This is to better the league not to say you are doing a bad job. I have the upmost respect for you and your league. I just think with all of these sponsors coming in the players feel like they should have a say with the future of the league also.

 

This is a pretty interesting topic. I can see both sides of it as to why some would want it and why some would say there really isn’t a need.

In reality, a player rep is someone who is educated more in the area of how the league is run, and therefore acts as a talking head when dealing with players/union/management. The rep is usually a more level headed individual who can bridge the gap between players and the league since a lot of players don’t know know their rights or how to diplomatically state their position on a matter.

That said, a player rep also meets with the players union and represents his team at that table. He brings ideas, grievances, and other issues at which time the union decides what to pursue and what to leave be. The players union mainly deals with contracts, rules, and players rights/representation.

In LG, there is no players union. With no union, it seems like player reps would do nothing other than communicate with the league commish on behalf of a player with an issue. What that suggests, is that there are players out there that can’t speak for themselves because they’ll just make it worse for themselves with ego, temper, what have you.

What I see being suggested, is that a player rep would basically act as first, a diplomat, to deal with the commish, and then as an investigator to see if an issue is warranted or not. The problem is, that’s what a union would do, not a rep. The rep would bring the issue to the union and the union would decide to go to bat or not for the player.

Based on the above, I can see why people are for it as there are players I’ve seen in the past that probably should have someone talk for them. Perhaps things would’ve gone a little smoother had someone more level headed spoken for them. However, I can also see the other side as players can very easily communicate with bogs/commish, etc which would make it seem unnecessary for player rep, especially with the absence of an actual union.

 

I'll say first off that I'm by no means an LG "expert" or even near the longest serving member but I have managed in this league for 6 of my 7 seasons. I've done media for LGCHL and LGAHL, and am about to run a weekly tournament. I've dealt with 2nd a tag on my team, one being accused, and even had to appeal a ban myself. What I will say about this idea is that in theory it could be great but the BoGs are already in a very thankless and demanding position. Adding more work to their plate makes an undesirable position even more loathsome. Unfortunately it's a volunteer position and for the league to remain a free to play league, it has to remain that way. That's assuming the playwe rep(s) are just dedicated LG members voted in based on their merit and good representation. The more likely scenario is that popular members will be voted in and will not serve the vast majority of the community the way the position was intended but will slow the process down and make the staff's life very annoying. The reason I say this is there have been many BoGs in past seasons who have been removed for not doing their job and just wanting to hold a position of "power". This happens with managers, media, and really any volunteer position people think will grant them notoriety.
Even if a person who was able and willing to do this job to it's intended purpose, they would not last long with the percentage of incredibly toxic people that occupy this site inevitably eroding their will to do this job. I do appreciate the discussion, and the idea isn't fundamentally bad as I do have things I think would make the league better but I have found that I've been able to bring these ideas up to staff in the past. Some ideas have been taken, others weren't. That's the whole point of this though, is to be heard and you can get that if you PM staff or create forums much like this. Whether there is a LGPA or not people will feel as though their ideas are being ignored because of who they are or what they've done, you're just changing who they blame for the "Bias". @TheBobbyOrr4 I love that you made this thread. Whether this happens or not, more people need to come forward and use the forums for things aside from clips of "Coning" guys and suggest the things they'd like to see. This forum system is currently the best way to spark change. If there is enough support, the league will listen. I understand some people feel as though they've been put on a shit list by the league, but the way to spark real change is to have an intelligent and respectful conversation about what they're like to see, not arguing about petty issues from seasons past about bans and SB mutes. Bogging the system down with this stops us from ever talking about important issues. Lastly I'll say that I sometimes need to remind myself that this is a virtual hockey league, while it's fun, it is just a hobby and there are FAR more important things we could all be putting our time into.


Apologies for the absolute wall of text.