Official 2008 Election Thread

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  1. RE1GN

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    I personally think that you can twist the numbers however you want. That was really the point of the "fact". It is one of the things that was going around awhile back. I just figured it was kind of interesting.
     
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    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

    Total military casualties, combat and non-combat.
    1993 - 1,213
    1994 - 1,075
    1995 - 1,040
    1996 - 974
    1997 - 817
    1998 - 827
    1999 - 796
    2000 - 758
    Total - 7,500

    2001 - 891
    2002 - 999
    2003 - 1,410
    2004 - 1,873
    2005 - 1,941
    2006 - 1,875
    Total - 8,989

    Hostile Action Deaths
    Clinton - 1
    Bush - 2,603
     
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    was the u.s. at war during clinton? or only under bush adminstration? the numbers would be higher if the nation is under war?
     
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    From wikipedia US Military history events
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_history_events#1991-1999

     
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    well kudos to obama 4 winning i am leaving america and going to mexico or canada 4 four year in till we get a new prezz lol
     
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    CursedCubbies, you talk about the McCain supporters or Right Wingers here buying into Republican "spins" and "propaganda" but all you do is give your own spins and twists to us, when you try and tell us we are dead wrong. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean we are all obsurd or buying into some sort of propaganda. I want you to learn that and try not to be so radical and go at people's throats when they disagree with you.

    Also Socialism can be the distribution of goods or in this case, Spreading the Wealth of Americans. Textbook Socialism. Now go ahead and give me a 2 page description on why you disagree. That's why I didn't want to respond to you asking how its socialism because you always give a radical response and accuse me and others, but I felt I had to touch on the subject.
     
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    wrong


    yeah did you read what the answer is...?

    So more military died under Bush than Clinton... So your point was? What you said and what you had for proof contradicted itself :-?
     
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  8. willth3thril

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    Listen tony... me and my wife worked hard to earn the luxury to spend more money than "just to feed ourselves" that is the american dream... we worked our way out of living in our car. The point is is they have no right to take my money. Actuly, why dont you tell me why they have the right to take my money.
     
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  9. Cubbies16CHAMPS

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    dude did you read the bottom of the page in this very link that says these numbers are totally made up? it says on this very oage the following in big bold letters:

    Q: Did more soldiers die during Bill Clinton's term than have died fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    A: Actually, even counting non-combat fatalities, more military personnel died during the first six years of George Bush's tenure than during the entire eight years that Bill Clinton was in office.
    Most of the numbers in this e-mail are completely made up. 3

    so totally made up, it might be interesting if it were in any way true.
     
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    oncew again pot calling the kettle black. im not going at anyone throat, all im doing is telling people what is true and what is totally made up. and what is fact and what is spin.


    how is a 3% tax increase on thsoe making over 250k socialism?, especially when it was a tax rate introduced by bush sr before he was voted out. Calling it socialism is a scare tacic, meant to recall the communist finding blacklist Mccarthy era of the 1950's. And in doing so is implied a knock on Obama's patriotism, because socialists (communists) are fundamentally anti-american. sound familiar? anti- american? listen to sarah palin much? t ties into their campaign of fear. Obama being too risky, too radical, not part of the "real america". that is propaganda. simply stating htat you want to cut taxes on those making 250k or less and raise the rate of those making over 250 k to the same level it was at in the 1990's. by your logic George H. W. Bush is also a socialist. you see how they did that to you? the right wing radio rots your brain. all opinion and fear mongering, no real information.
     
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    because in no other country in the world would you get as much as you do from your government for such a low tax rate, most industiral countries tax rates are much higher on the wealthy. Yoiu should be glad you live in a country that allows your family to grow wealthy at whatever hteir business might be. But to live in a place where roads and emergency workers and air traffic controllersw and things like that all are working, the money has to come from somewhere, and that is called taxes your taxes will be raised 3%. big deal, you will not feel it, maybe one less trip to the hamptons this year, so sad.
     
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    I love the hamptons :)
     
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    For you to have the audacity to come on here and say that shows how much of a bit** you truly are. When people disagree with you its Propaganda. You give me your ****ing left wing spin bull**** and you tell me all I do is buy into the Right Wing "Propaganda". I will not agree with you on this so just shut the **** up already you piece of sh**.
     
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    Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap!!!! Very nice.
     
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    Clinton may have not killed as many soldiers as Bush, but at least Bush didn't betray his own country and sell our secrets to the Chinese like Clinton did. http://www.amazon.com/Year-Rat-Clinton-Compromised-Security/dp/0895263335 Well he hasn't as far I know, but who am I to judge, Cubbies seems to be on top of everything political. You a political science major Cubbies? How long do you guys think Obama will last in office. One term? Two terms? Or maybe he'll get capped even before his 1st term is up. Thoughts?
     
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  16. whatsUPitsFARVA

    whatsUPitsFARVA Katy Perry. NEW HOTNESS!

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    willthethril, was college hard for you at the age of 12?
     
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    whatsUPitsFARVA Katy Perry. NEW HOTNESS!

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    so after 8 years of staying through Bush's **** ups, you now are going to move because obama got elected? do you need help packing?
     
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    dude you are the one that told me you always liten to Michael Savage., that guy on the radio that wrote a book called "liberalism is a mental disorder". correct? My "left wing spin" comes from places like the new york times, CNN, Fox News, the guardian, the BBC, and contless other blogs w read both conservative and liberal.

    Yopu are not a propaganda reader becasue i disagree with you, you are one because thats what you listen to. By your own statements you are not open to any other point of view but your own. I not spewing "left wing spin" what im saying is that calling obamas tax plan "socialism" is right wing propaganda, handed down straight from teh 1950's.

    why dont you disagree with the substance of what im saying instead of saying htat you will never beleieve me or anyone with a differing opinion. you are the one preaching intolerance, and propaganda in the name of rich white people. you should be very pround of your narrowmindedness and your abaility to personalize everything I'm saying even though i Wasnt talkiung to you in the first place. you take everything i say so personally, why? does the truth hurt a little too much?

    and you come on here with the audacity to pretend like you know what you are talking about. filled with a sense that you know something when all you know is lies and spin fed to you.
     
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  19. Cubbies16CHAMPS

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    what are you clapping for? he didnt say anything intelligent whatsoever.

    Dude go **** yourself, you are an ignorant little **** who knows nothing about the world, go read a book, not jsut more lies put on the internet by some other ignorant crazy ****.
     
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    Yay... Lets take my check and just give it to the homeless.... Sorry that I have worked my ass off my enitre life to get a freaking higher tax rate.. I dont see why I even work hard to get more money taken away from me to give it to people who do not want to work or people who just would use that money to spend money on booze and drugs.. Good idea
     
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