* New * OFFICIAL NHL 20 Beta Review Thread

xWynt3r · Jul 28, 2019

Thoughts on the Beta so far:

Pros

Presentation Package is the best its been in years. Love the featured highlights and the new look and feel to presentation.

Goalie feels more 'Natural' overall. I don't feel like I'm playing to a game mechanic so much so as I'm actually playing the position.

Pace seems more realistic.

Ice appears to be covered more accurately, e.g. there's less space to maneuver/force the puck when teams are positioned properly.

Defense feels more natural this year, pass/shot blocking is better.

Cons

Goalie camera on Penalty Shots is fixed on the skater and doesn't allow goalie to see their position relative to the skater.

Goalie animations on slap shots/passes from other offensive zone are overly slow which leads to potential for "glitchy" type goals.

Some instances where the goalie rotates on post inside of own net.

Some issues around butterfly saves, specifically when the puck goes under the pads.

Some issues around puck physics.

Hits could be worked on, Not to the level of bumps in 19 but positional hits with differences in player weights should affect how the player is on the puck.

Overall, this is the best title I've seen in a long while. I'm hoping that they keep improving and getting us closer to a simulation game.

pitwinkle · Jul 28, 2019

Shit goalie here but i feel like im getting stuck in animations that dont allow me to move or keep up with the puck. Ive noticed several times that when the puck goes behind the net my goalie makes an animation and doesnt give me time to react. Ive also noticed i get stuck on the post more and there is little reaction time to up close shots. This could all also be me needing to adjust to the game. I feel like with all the extra shot animations for skaters if you take the 19 goalies with the 20 skaters the playing field would be very balanced.

oHeroism · Jul 29, 2019

Whoever voted terrible is just bad at the beta like idek what to say lol

Bassani 097 · Jul 29, 2019

Heroiism98 said: ↑

Whoever voted terrible is just bad at the beta like idek what to say lol
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Whoever voted great has no idea what a good & proper game should play like. Wake the fuck up...

VeNOM3O99 · Jul 29, 2019

for the first time in almost 10 years i will NOT be playing EAids NHL product.

The one thing I'm glad the BETA did is prove that EA will never learn and its made my decision much easier to take.

Maybe when NHL 20 hits the vault i'll be back...

Legion4 · Jul 29, 2019

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5 hole on both CPU and human goalies also incredibly broken. Shots along the ice from any spot on the ice are basically the highest percentage shots in vs.
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versus is broken in beta

Legion4 · Jul 29, 2019

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I am heading to Vancouver today to play and updated version of NHL 20. If you haven't read the change notes yet as to what I will be playing check this out!

https://www.ea.com/games/nhl/nhl-20...&utm_medium=social&cid=59273&ts=1564350849623

Shooting:
- Fixes to shot model when shooting manual one timers to improve cases where shots sometimes weren't as powerful as they should be.
- Fixes to shot model when shooting one timers where the incoming pass angle is perpendicular to their facing and wasn't accounting for them still getting their hips around and through the shot before contact, making the shots weaker than they should be. This was seen the most when taking wheelhouse one timers off the rush when still in motion (in 090, out 000)
- Fixed an issue where players couldn't take a rebound shot after a one timer or their own shot and a rebound.
- Improvements to the direction and how a player rotates into a one timer shot. Worst cases were when they would go the wrong way and spin fully around before taking the shot rather than turning through the pass direction and when they would start to rotate away before rotating towards the puck.
- Updated logic for slapshot selection based on the players current angle to the net and the direction they are skating. This also improves where the player releases the puck to give them a chance at the most ideal shot from that angle.
- Improvements in selecting the slapshot animations for the angles requested.
- Update to shot logic to prioritize shots from the best location so they aren't reaching or getting jammed unnecessarily.
- Improvements to the line a player takes in their one timer solve towards the near post. Prevents them from drifting away from the pass and solving it too late and also diminishing their angle to the net. We also don't want to see them cut in too far and hurting the amount of open net they have as well.
- Tuning down variable for acquire puck distance for one timers. Since we now solve to a specific spot and can get there with the skate model, we don't have to rely on a big radius. We also added logic this year where we can Miss or Abort the one timer if the player or puck doesn't follow the solved path by getting disrupted.
- Improvements to the possible outgoing shot angle for certain shot animations to limit odd cases where the outgoing angle was quite disconnected from the shot. We want to be responsive to what the user updates but not beyond realistic levels.
- Improved logic for when/how tuck shots would trigger relative to distance to net especially.
- Improvements for how slow speed one timers solve relative to the incoming puck angle relative to the player and the angle in which they want to shoot it.
- Tuned slow speed one timers to allow them to execute more often when they should and reduced the extreme upper body rotations that were allowed at times.
- Fix to allow a player to manually windup faster after they pass the puck as they were sometimes blocked for a set period of time. This is most important in player locked modes using manual one timers in give and go scenarios.
- Some improvements for when a player can turn to a more ideal one timer angle based on their current speed to the angle.
- update to logic for how we blend into shots from out of layered pickups to improve aesthetic quality of shot releases
- Logic improvement for one timer rebounds, giving priority to shots that can be released quicker.
- Fix for one timers from saucer passes not executing because the player was considering the puck to be too high to one time, not thinking it was going to be on the ice by their contact point.
- Fixes to not drive the player to an offside position out of the zone when solving for one timers.
- Fix for cases where blending to a shot out of protect puck was allowing unnatural quick blends to puck positions that wouldn't be possible in that short of time.
- Improvements to ai goalie logic when the puck is behind the net so that they position themselves better in the way they read the puck carriers intentions.
- Various save database tuning.
- Updated logic for looking at when a pickup and one timer are possible so that if the one timer is too far in the future, the player will play a proper catch and release one timer instead using a pickup. Most extreme cases of this would fix cases where the player would let the puck go by them to play a one timer on a bank off the boards.
- Improvements to getting player into the proper angle and position to one time the puck based on incoming and outgoing angle requested rather than trying to update in the shot/release as the body angle is most important before setup.
- Improvements to look for passes from deke nodes to respect puck positions and requested angles better as well as improve visual fidelity.
- Tuning for how quickly a player can turn to shoot when using slapshot windup to spin around and shoot the puck from backskate.
- Added ability to tune one timer shot selection and improve player facing as they prepare to take the one timer and when and how they choose to windup before the shot. Variables are off by default but being tested and will be turned on as we tune and improve the logic as needed. One of the conditions limits the start of a shot animation to wait until player is closer to their ideal facing range. Fixes floating and awkward windups for players that start a long animation while still getting into position. Another is if there is not enough time, the player will go into more of a half windup and fixes the case where a player quickly blends to the top of the windup in an unnatural way. Also added the ability to weigh how quickly the puck can reach the net into the shot selection scoring so that it isn't just about how quickly you can contact the puck if another shot could be more powerful and make up for the time putting the puck in the net itself faster.
- Update to shot model on rebound one timer shots to consider the puck behavior more and how easily the player could handle the puck to shoot the rebound. Ability to shank the shot at the bottom end is in there as well but not turned on.
- Fixed an issue for a player taking multiple shots in a row without the puck.
- Fixed an issue where a slapshot wouldn't solve and would force a pickup to solve instead of a shot.

Passing:
- Improvements to pass locations based on the acceleration of the player so it will pass to where they are starting to accel to or stop.
- Update to pass logic to be able to pass to a player by their left or right shoulder to where they can receive the puck more naturally on their forehand or backhand depending on the most ideal incoming angle and preventing players from passing into and through a players legs where they would need to stop their stride to play a more awkward pickup and can instead retain their skating and pick up the puck more naturally.
- Improvements to passing and one timers so the player can receive the puck properly in stride and not stop their momentum or turn in unnecessarily.
- Added the ability for the ai to use the new stick offset for passing that humans are using. It is a cvar that can be turned on once approved as working better. This prevents the ai from passing through a players body and to where they would prefer to receive the puck instead, giving a higher chance of being able to receive the puck in motion and more ideal shooting locations.
- improved pass targeting in one timer situations.
- Add default stick offsets to be used for all non-one timer passing situations, rather than using an animation stick offset which was at the mercy of whatever skating was doing instantaneously.
- Remove the logic which was allowing the user to override the one timer target with the LS as it wasn't obvious enough for players when they were asking to lead a player to their backhand vs pass to a one timer position. Players still have the ability to lower pass assist and also manually lead further with manual saucer passes.

Pickups:
- Improvements to detect if a player should play a leaning pickup layered animation based on what they are going to be doing in skating as they go further into the pickup. This should improve some bad arm and shoulder blends during layered pickups.
- Fixed cases where players could enter other states such as winding up for a slapshot when they should actually still be in a pickup state. This will fix cases where a player could be in a windup and still controlling the puck as well.
- Improvements for receiver to account for pass error in their skating direction and still try to receive the puck as naturally as possible.

Goalies:
- Improvements to logic for how the future puck position and the goalies position relative to their net for when to look for a cover.
- Improvements to goalie cover logic and coverage, specifically on pucks right behind them.
- Fixes for human goalie covers where auto covers wouldn't trigger reliably.
- Fixes for human goalie covers where manually requested covers weren't solving if the goalie was trying to move and was forcing the goalie to stop moving before a cover could solve.
- logic improvements to help settle goalie on the post in reverse VH if the puck is on the side of the net.
- Fix to ensure the goalie's motion is not heading into net when coming off post from VH.
- Improved logic for goalie's behavior (facing angles, decisions to hug the post and new animation data/coverage) when puck gets in around post/goal line.
- Improved goalie logic on breakaways for how/when they commit to angles and their ability to push hard to fully cover the near side post once the puck carrier has shown commitment to that short side.
- Improvements to when ai goalies will play pre-emptive saves to take away the net when they don't have time to push over and then react. Should improve cases where they would over commit when they didn't need to.
- Fix for some cases where players wouldn't take one timers when the puck was near the boards.
- Fix for goalie blend issues that caused them to duck in their motion.
- handled an the extremely rare case of a human goalie acquiring the puck while idle in desperation side poses
- Added goalie ambient animations after the whistle is blown from several cover puck positions.
- Reduced how quickly goalie will spin to face the puck behind him, as they have plenty of coverage for covers behind/beside them now.
- Update to improve goalie pickups behind their net and near the boards.
- Physics update to help improve goalies cover consistency.
- Updated goalies blocker material to better reflect the material it is actually made of. It was set to be too soft before which hurt some deflections during blocker saves.
- Added ability to tune where a user goalie would want to send the puck relative to their angle to the net when redirecting the puck out of danger. This may be needed due to the various positions user goalies find themselves in deep to their net, off line with the incoming puck angle, etc. and not wanting redirects to end up more dangerous.
- Added a fix for user goalies redirecting pucks into their own net.
- Improved audio hooks for glove saves for audio to be able to represent what they see better in how they talk about it.
- Refinements for AI goalies cover logic. Tightened distance checks when puck is to side or behind the goalie, as we have less coverage reach to those areas and reduced time looking for a cover if they want to move laterally.
- Fixes to goalie puck tracking.
- Fixed logic to prevent goalie from getting hung up on one side of the net when they should be moving to the other.
- improved ai goalie responsiveness when looking for covers around the net/crease.
- Fixes to improve goalie behavior on dead pucks in around the posts and goal line
- Fixed coverage and logic for goalie stick redirects to make them more reliable.
- Fixes to goalie cameras where Puck Visibility is hindered with certain Goalie Cameras when the puck is behind the net.
- Improvements to where goalies were staying in redirect saves too long on deflections/puck path changes.
- Improvements to the directions the goalie would want to redirect the puck relative to their current position in the net and the incoming angle and position of the puck relative to them.
- Fixes to consistency around goalies trying to pickup the puck around the net and/or through the net so that they all behave as expected.
- Removed some old reactionary saves that looked like controlled chest/gut acquires so that they don't look like failed controlled saves. Goalies should play flinching blocking saves instead in the cases they don't have enough reaction time/control to hang on.
- Added fix to goalie pickups by setting the blend off rate for the signature layers so that they blend off before the contact frame.
- Various fixes for goalie cover puck logic.
- Fix for when a goalie is moving above a certain speed, so they can try solving again sooner when the relative puck position has changed.
- Improvements to how goaltenders hold the post when the puck is at sharper angles and limit how anxious they are to move off the post which potentially gave up the short side too easy.

Physics/Collisions:
- Improved muscle setup for goalies and how they look when they fall. Should also fix issues where they would get pushed out from the net when falling.
- Fix some issues where you would visually see the puck raise up above the ice before it made a collision.
- Fixed some cases where the goalie would shake when making contact with the ice due to physics.
- Fix to reduce phantom collisions leading the puck to drop for players against goalie by using the more accurate method developed for player vs player last year.
- Updated the stick on goalie test to limit phantom collisions.
- Fix to prevent players from chopping the puck through the net. Added a new test to stick on net collision detection for fast stick movement.
- Various puck physics improvements around the net.
- Improvements to players skating in and around the net and the impacts on puck control. Trying to allow players as much freedom as they should have skating behind the net without losing the puck due to lack of fidelity in control but also ensuring they can't exploit it and cause weak goals through puck warps and over control.
- Fix for rare cases of incidental contact with players legs and the net not registering properly for losing the puck.
- Fixed issues where the puck would stop dead before a potential stick collision with the goalie due to when the update was happening in the frame.
- Fixed issues with odd puck losses due to physics.
- Fix to avoid puck warps along the boards when the puck is possessed and corrected by the board.
- Update to allow us to prevent sticks above the ice from behind from causing puck loss on incidental stick on stick collisions.
- Fix to issue that still allowed stick collisions with the puck through the net.
- Fixed an issue where the puck could get poked out of the goalie's glove.
- Improved collision detection between the puck carriers stick and net to find the balance between puck control/fidelity and puck loss when the collision is deserving/the puck gets too far from the stick.
- Fixes where updated drop puck logic was running incorrectly and players could drop the puck on shots and passes when their stick made even slight contact with the boards.
- Fixed issue where the pucks Y velocity was not correct in physics. This will most noticeably fix cases where the puck would go out of play too easily after a collision.
- Added a fix to allow a player that is blocking the goalie by diving in Ones to be pushed away to avoid interferences with the goalie for game balance.
- Increased cases where some puck collisions were causing the puck to freeze on bad contacts.
- Fixed issues where a player is blocking another from getting up for game balance purposes..
- Solved a case where the puck was going through the net mesh.
- Consistency improvements to physics reactions, with specific interest in the balance of stumbles that allow players to keep control of the puck vs lose it.
- Improvements to collision detection to avoid phantom collisions from the stick.
- Improved rare cases where during a pickup, the puck could go through the boards causing a whistle.
- Solved a case where the puck could go through the net after scoring.
- Fixed an issue where sometimes when hit while going to the bench, the goalie would get stuck in butterfly and never reach the bench.
- Improvements to physics solve to decrease the chance of phantom collisions with the puck.

Skating:
- improvements to vision control consistency.
- Vision Control during manual windups now behaves the same as regular offensive vision control off puck making it more consistent as players switch between the two.

Penalties:
- Improvements to goalie interference logic.
- Fixes for cpu penalty sliders to improve consistency throughout the slider scale.
- Fixes for cases where a penalty was sometimes not given after the user attempted a dive block at the AI and tripped them.

Offensive AI:
- Improvements to ai logic considering offside and their motion nearing the offensive blueline.
- Fix to help tone down bad behavior in offside pass cases. Should now use correct pass speed in passing analysis offside checks. Player will make better decisions if they are definitely going to be offside.
- Fixed cases where the ai will rush into the offensive zone causing an offside.
- Fixed cases where players were drifting too wide at times rather than driving in towards the far post.
- Fixed cases where ai skaters over-skate in the offensive zone instead of stopping earlier for one timer options relative to the net and defenders.

Defensive AI:
- Fixed an issue where the ai and near side defenseman specifically would frequently leave the zone instead of holding the blue line when the puck was shot on net or loose low in the zone..=
- Improvements to ai defensive skill stick logic and the angles they look to defend with it.
- When defending against a breakout, the defending AI may turn to face the rush before they have a good gap and results in giving up a breakaway.
- Improved issues in 2 on 2 scenarios where the defender guarding against the open offensive skater would stop up early and allow the open offensive skater to skate in for an tap in one-timer.
- Improved some cases where the AI defenseman will leave the front of the net to pursue the puck carrier and leave an opposing player undefended in front of the net.
- Fixed an issue where an ai defender would move to defend the middle of the ice instead of covering against the breaking winger along the boards.
- Improved cases where an ai defender that was defending against a breakout, would turn to face the rush before they had a good enough gap which was resulting in giving up odd man rushes and breakaways too easily.
- Improvements to defensive ai coverage on the penalty kill in regards to cases where they were too aggressive to help defend the puck carrier and would leave the front of the net.

Misc:
- Fix for referees not behaving properly during faceoffs/puck drop.
- Removed post whistle avoidance logic that was causing more player jitter than the collisions it was meant to avoid.
- Various crash fixes.
- Fixed cases where AFK logic could potentially kick users for bad teamplay in Ones.
- Corrected blends when passing, shooting and picking-up to improve fidelity.
- Fix to ensure goalie changes properly when user changes a scenario first and then the goalie in goalie practice.
- Fixed cases where players would unintentionally stick lift because the action would carry over if they were to lose the puck. when trying to protect the puck using the same button.
- Fixed an issue where batted pucks and bat downs weren't solving properly.
- Fixed an issue where players pinned in boardplay were losing the ability to make a play on the puck too easily (i.e. couldn't kick it).

Threes & Ones:
- Fixes for ai protect puck behavior in Ones Now.
- Fixes in Ones Now so that the ai won't see the goalie in possession of the puck the same as a player that they can check.
- Disabled Fatigue in Ones Now. A choice on the modes side. It will still be a part of Ones Online.
- Added context for end of game pressure for ai to shoot for Ones Now for players that are behind and have more urgency to try and score.
- Fixed an issue where ai players in Ones Now were spinning the wrong way.
- Fix for the puck drop position in Ones not randomizing after the first drop.
- Various ai improvements for Ones Now licensed player specific behaviors and tendencies.
- Fixed a few cases where you would see the puck warp to start plays after a whistle or goal in Threes before the start of the next possession.
- Fixed cases where a goalie would clear the puck right into the path of an opposing player.
- Improvements to make the ai goalie less vulnerable in cases where the puck is loose around the net, even when getting picked up by teammates. Goalie should stay down when the puck is close, even if his own teammate has it. Goalie shouldn't get back up until they know their teammate has control and is out of danger.
- Fixes to cases where the puck was warping on first pickup in Ones.
- Fix to Threes scoreclock to make it real time.
- Improvements to puck release points for signature slapshots to make them more reliable due to their unique contact positions.
- Fixed a case where the goalie would get stuck standing idle behind the net after passing the puck.

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I am still looking for any feedback you while I am at this event! Please be specific on what you do and don't like!

Thanks
-Brodie
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half of this sounds like a load of crap

KENNYHITMANHART · Jul 29, 2019

So for my actual feedback,

The game feels like a polished NHL 19 with some better animations. That being said some of the shot animations are delayed to the shot. The poke and stick lift are a little improved. Puck pick ups are still questionable. Goalies that are catching right look like they are using the glove as a blocker. The skating is very smooth now north south. A little clunky when trying to move east west. Also the scoreboard is in a terrible place. Overall it feels improved the thing that scares me is that EA tends to go downhill from the beta. They could be using a way better engine to make this game more functional. Still doesn't feel like simulated play compared to other sports games. I also really hope that they do connected franchise at some point.

dmuk780 · Jul 29, 2019

I love how some of the non Goalies are commenting on how good the Goalies are and those who play Goal are commenting about how bad G is.

As EA said... improved saves for G who are in position and in control... I.e. not moving around and square to the shooter. Definitely not the case. Here is my G experience so far.

Short side is brutal. Unless the G is hugging the post it is easy to snipe short side... even if you are square to the shooter and in control. Hell the G does not even animate or attempt to make a save on short side. Basically it hits you or it goes in. If you hug the post and they pass across the G is slow as hell getting off the post to attempt a save.

Faceoff in our end. G immediately drops into a butterfly and wont move.

Guy passes to a player 5-10 feet to the right of my net. G animates into butterfly and wont let me move to cover the post.

Guy breaking in and going for far side post. Push stick right to come across and cover the side he is driving for... G sits there and doesn't move until after the guy has blown by and the puck is in the net... then he moves. I actually had time to first hit the left stick to move and when he doesn't hit the right stick to try a desperation slide across... neither action worked.

Puck sitting behind me. Hit R2 for autocover.... nothing. Hit triangle for manual cover... nothing. Spam the hell out of the triangle... finally tries to cover.

Guy to my right in close is looking to fire short side. Hit R2 / L1 to reverse VH and face shooter to block out the net. G goes into butterfly and slowly animates out of the net for an easy tap in.

G needs more speed to move across the net, or at least responsive controls so that when he does try to move the G actually moves. G needs to have better ability to stop a short side when square to the shooter and in control.

Not sure I will play G next season if this is what life will be like for a G. I get that there will differences and a learning curve to adjust... but there is nothing skill related about bad controls and animations.

erinssilence · Jul 29, 2019

If anyone is wondering what the differences in builds base stats are from NHL 19 to NHL 20 here you go. I think it's pretty eye opening as to what EA has really focused on here and what they're really trying to make the game be. Literally every build has a base drop in Shot Blocking and everyone but playmaker and enforcer D had drops in Defensive Awareness but almost everything is boosted offensively for almost every build. On top of that every build is dropped in Speed, Acceleration, Agility, and Endurance.

l Flag l · Jul 29, 2019

Put money into your servers. Thank you.

LaPlante94 · Jul 30, 2019

Will they be extending the beta so we also get to play the updated version of the game? Hard to give feedback on a game that has already been patched up and fixed and we don't know if these fixes are any good or not.

My biggest complaint is players picking off passes they shouldn't be. Players can have their back to you and pick a pass off clean as if they were looking at me and I passed it right to them.

There was also a glitch where if you are the goalie and go behind the net you'd get stuck on the boards. I've only seen it twice but thought I'd mention it.

SgtVandoos · Jul 30, 2019

bonwl said: ↑

Things I've learned from this beta: This community is extremely toxic and needs to cheer up a bit.

But we all knew that already

This is the best NHL product ever released and if you took a few minutes to read the patch notes, you'd see that it's far from the finished product. EA NHL is trending heavily in the right direction.
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After last night I have to agree with you, there was some improvement on the tendy side, back in the old form of being able to make 2-3 consecutive saves on rebounds, which is a nice sight. I think that ea is truly moving fwd, finally lol

I do have a question though, I wonder if it would be possible to remove the squaring of the netminder on a cross crease, that animation make the tendy move in an angle rather then straight out, which more often then not will make the puck bounce in net instead of straight out

Churriss- · Jul 30, 2019

I'm still rattled about deeking in the beta. When you try to deek someone, the puck sometimes randomly stays behind without any contact whatsoever on your opponent stick/skate. Also the puck handler shouldn't be losing the puck so easily after a little push that shit grinds my gears.

Magik Road · Jul 31, 2019

The worst nhl ever for first time I'm not sure to buy that it's crazy pass it's terrible goalie to slow breakaway camera for goalie it's crazy lift stick and puck control it's more difficult I do t like this version I'm probably recycling to NBA 2k next year

Winston Payne · Jul 31, 2019

I haven't really tested it out in the beta but the server assignments when matchmaking needs to be fixed. If there's a significant mix of east/west players, the game should be on Central servers. Searching first shouldn't select the server, the locations of the players should. I don't think I can take another season of connection forcing and it's a really bad look for the league.

It's been beaten to death but a small scoreboard in another screen position needs to be an option. I'm fine with the scoreboard redesign in terms of aesthetics. Just use the Pro-Am scoreboard as a template of where the scoreboard should be and of the size.

Other weird goalie stuff: There are situations in which auto-cover doesn't activate when it should and the puck just sits there. Goalies sometimes try to make saves on passes far from the net. Sometimes butterfly slides go out of control (this might be related to bad tracking of the passes?).

That 1 Odd Guy · Aug 1, 2019

Scoreboard sucks balls and needs to be smaller and less distractive. Also needs to be out of game play. Passing is super DELAYED.

Dan x 39 · Aug 1, 2019

carlson10carlson said: ↑

Goalies get locked in animation from passes and most of the time it leads to a goal.
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This is the major point with the 5 holes. 5 holes goal should be happen only when goalie move to chnge is positioning and the shot come during this time. Other than that, game is great and the way you have to play goalie is much more realistic now.

Other could be better is when goalie goes out of their zone, the skating is weird and for that, playing the puck on a dump and chase is impossible.

Born2skate_ · Aug 1, 2019

Extend it untill this sunday !

FiBERSTiCK · Aug 1, 2019

Fix backhanded flip ( same animation than wrap around )

Maybe 10%/15% more impact on hit

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