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@Rockxt 5
28GP
23-2-3
Playoff Teams: 12-2-1
Fringe Playoff Teams: 5-0-2
Non Playoff Teams: 6-0-0

157 Points #1, (47 more than the next player, bass who is on his line)
86 Goals #1 (23 more than next closes player, Bass who is on his line)
71 Assists #2
+98 #1
10PIM (among the lowest in the league)
420 Giveaways
59 Takeaways
-361 TA/GA ratio


@Vaynx
54 Games Played (the max is 55, if you play 7 in the last week)
38-14-2
.844SV% #1
1.81GAA #1
9ShutOuts #1
659 Shots Faced
12.2ShotsPerGame

 

does Toronto make playoffs without rocket? yes.

does Vegas make playoffs without Vaynx? probably not.

 

rocket is a PROBLEM

 

Agreed, but let’s not act like Toronto played great all season, without Rocket they played .500 hockey a lot of the season

end of week 1:
Rocket 2-0-1
Rest of team 2-3-1

end of week 2:
Rocket 5-0-1
Rest of team 2-6-4

end of week 3:
Rocket 8-0-1
Rest of team 6-8-4

end of week 4:
Rocket 11-0-1
Rest of team 10-10-4

end of week 5: *only week losing twice*
Rocket 12-2-1
Rest of team 12-13-5

end of week 6:
Rocket 14-2-2
Rest of team 16-15-5

end of week 7:
Rocket 16-2-3
Rest of team 20-16-6

end of week 8
Rocket 19-2-3
Rest of team 22-18-8

end of week 9
Rocket 23-2-3
Rest of team 27-19-8

@Rockxt 5 for Hart, easily.

 

he played with bass, tidan, and Bren for a lot of that who are all arguably first liners as well

 

Period is that no player puts 152 points up, people don’t even get 80 point seasons... he had 86 goals alone not even accounting his assists it’s very impressive.

 

I disagree. If hendry played with bass and insane x woody all season he would of put up 200points easy.

 

You don't understand how the Hart works. You were the best player in the league and everyone knows that, but it's a whole different question whether you were the most valuable player in the league. that's why there's a Hart trophy and a Ted Lindsay trophy.

 

My stats (Both consoles);
56GP
44-9-3
154 Points
70 Goals
74 Assists
+93


Rocket's stats (Xbox Only)
28GP
23-2-3
157 Points
86 Goals
71 Assists
+98

We shouldn't understate how insane of a season Rocket just had. This would be like a goalie putting up a .900 over a full season or a d man getting 70 points. This is the most prolific LG season from one player EVER. Don't fuck this award up

 

I feel like this doesn't really refute what people are saying, though. What if you plugged in someone who was capable of a similar record with ~90 points into @Rockxt 5 's spot on the Leafs? His great season surely wins him the Ted Lindsay as it's literally just one absolutely mind-boggling season, but if you replace him with a player that's a step down does it have the same impact as replacing @Vaynx with a goalie who's a step down? That's more of the argument people are trying to make in regards to this award.

I think people are concerned that "prolific season" doesn't capture the essence of this award which should be "most impactful player". If we agree on that, who was more impactful @Rockxt 5 or @Vaynx ? And more importantly, why?

 

this is literally why they have the Ted Lindsay award no one is arguing whether he was the best. was he the most important

 

Without Rocket that Toronto team was a dumpster fire the first 5 weeks. If not for him keeping them afloat they would’ve cleared house and sold everything. Instead, thanks to Rocket keeping them in a respectable position they made trades to improve rather than selling everything off ahead of the deadline.

Take Rocket off that roster and Toronto is a seller at the TDL instead of looking like a top tier team now. Vegas has had 3 good lines built through chem all season, Vaynx is very good but I don’t think a goalie should really ever be MVP when goalie success is so reliant on the team in front of them. Unless he did something outlandish like put up a .900 (Similar to what Rocket just did)

 

Trying to represent both sides of the argument here.

This would be where strength of schedule comes into play. There is some community sentiment that you replace @Rockxt 5 with an average NHL forward on that line and you still win 75%+ of those games outright due to scheduling. Through six weeks, Toronto was never more than 3 points out of the 3rd seed in their division
and were always in wildcard contention.

Also, I'm not sure if I like the "skater success to goalie success" comparison in LG because it's much harder to "pad stat" against bad lineups in LG. What happens when you play bad lineups in LG? They get less zone time and less shots which obviously affects how much a goalie's stats could increase from a game. A skater putting up 10 on a bad team would be akin to a goalie having a 35 save shutout versus a bad team; that really doesn't happen in LG, and certainly not against a bad lineup. @Rockxt 5 was great against the decent lineups, but he put up a lot of points against bad lineups, too. Goalies don't have that luxury for the most part for their stats to increase more than twofold against worse lineups.

Here are the Atlantic standings through 6 weeks for those interested.

 

Agreed. Not taking away anything from vaynx... however what you said is exactly why rocket should win this. Perry won the hart a few seasons back on my team and he had a .87 save % with 14 shutouts one shy of the all time record. We were a similar team to Vegas right now. Not even sure a season like that deserves to win over rocket in this case. Props to vaynx though on hell of a season. It’s a testament to how good he’s been to be the only other nominee as a goalie.

 

I mean read my above comment. And you point out his .87 save percentage... but that was S33 which was played on NHL 19. Many goalies were close to Perry that season in that regard as ALL goalies save percentages were inflated by that game. @Vaynx is top of the league and only a handful of starters are even above .800 . Again, not a fair comparison in my opinion. Really, @Perrilyzer1 winning that season could even be seen as a comparison for a goalie winning again this season with the season @Vaynx has had rather than the other way around.

 

he set records this season that may never be broken, whether he faced good lines or bad lines or bad teams, you just cant ignore he is simply the best player in LG this season. Vanyx will win the vezina and finish 2nd for the hart, both great accomplishments. Congrats to both

 

Which will net @Rockxt 5 the Ted Lindsay which is generally awarded for exactly what you said. This adds nothing to the argument that is ongoing about whether having a prolific season means you're the most valuable player to your team.

 

Agree with the save % part but disagree with the ladder. Perry was more dominant his season than vaynx was this season despite the save % inflation, and didn’t have anyone close to rocket to compete against. But I see your point.

 

Lmao this shouldn't even be a debate. Unless Vaynx broke the all time save % record, shutout record and the GAA record then maybe we have a debate.

Rocket broke his own goal record by 15 goals with his 86 goals this season (Record was 71 S34) probably never to be broken again cause that's fucking insane lmao and on top of that he broke the all time points record in a season by Briere from over 17 seasons ago (S19 126 points), something that also seemed impossible, and he crushed it by 31 points (156 points S36) LMAO. He also broke the +/- record with his +98 rating (Previous record by Gilly S27 +81). On top of that he was close to the assist record as well with 71 assists (record is 78 S33 by Melvin).

Easily the most dominant season by a player that has ever happened and probably WILL ever happen on this site. I saw the post by Gilbzey and it shows his record vs the rest of his teammates week by week. That alone should prove his success has everything to do with their season and their positioning for playoffs.

Congrats to Vaynx on a great season as well but cmon......lmao

 

I like what goon said honestly. “What if you plugged in someone who was capable of a similar record with ~90 points into @Rockxt 5 's spot on the Leafs?“ The thing is tho, can one of you guys find a 2m/3m frwd that has ever come close to 156pts? I can be nice and instead ask you guys to find a frwd, close to my salary, that has ever come close to 100pts. It’s very simple to just say: let’s had a 10m player instead of me on that leafs roster and maybe he would have been close to get the amount of points I had but people seem to forget I’m a 2.25m player. I’m sorry but this roster isn’t close to what we have if I replace myself for any other player at my salary. How can I not be the most important player on a 2.25m contract lmao