Constitutional Amendments : Current or Retroactive? (Player's Vote)

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Thoughts on Constitutional Amendments?

  1. They should be retroactive

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  2. They should be moving forward from the time of the amendment

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  3. Other

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    Absurd is a bit much here.

    When anything is bound by a document (Constitution) it should always be protected. Amendments occur to correct issues within the document as times change. If you allow an amendment to rule over something in the past, then the document itself has no ass to sit on. People could vote in whatever rule they wanted to change the outcome of anything that happened before hand.

    Just a huge can of worms there.
     
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    The other argument could be if teh issue at hand that is being debated is affected by the current amendment why shouldn't it be applied.

    I have no opinion really. The two main questions I have for the community are basically "should the no forfeit rule be removed from article two" and "should this be retroactive?"

    The community wants to be so criterial of every decision made here is there opportunity to have a say.

    There is no doubt Article Two needs a change.

    And there is a ton of pros and cons to making the amendments retroactive. Vice versa being if the amendments aren't retro active. The rules have a two week buffer and I don't recall us uncovering a loop hole that was abused for long. Normally it's like a one and done then we amend it. The question being now should that be a free get out of jail card or should teams be held accountable...

    I really don't have an answer for that
     
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    Sorry, just getting out of work.

    I'm trying to say that changes should be retroactive. But at some point there is a line where changing previous results becomes detrimental rather than beneficial. That variable (the period where the retroactive policy applies) should be determined on either a case-by-case basis or set in stone with a single set amount of time (ex. two weeks)
     
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    But had there been another issue prior would this be a thing?
     
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    Yea one could argue it would have been solved already

     
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    Statue of limitations is listed as two weeks
     
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    I don't envy your position in the least.

    I, along with most people in this league, want to see series decided on the virtual ice. Any rules that facilitate that will always get my vote (although my opinion is irrelevant and always has been).
     
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    I do agree that games being played on the ice is best but what I will always say is in the situations that those games are not decided on ice someone failed long before staff had to make a ruling. Not getting an ecu, not showing up etc. Every time a game ends in forfeit staff should never be held accountability
     
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    Then that's it. Retroactive to two weeks prior. It eliminates any bias if it's set in stone.

    Sorry for the hassle today, take care.
     
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    What if a team was not well versed on the issue and took a forfeit. It never would have been handled.

    You can make retroactivity a thing, but it has to be from this moment forward. It wasn't a thing yesterday, so you can't change it then use that to go backwards on an issue. You can move forward from here and be retroactive with any issue that has happened from this moment on should you decide retroactivity should be adopted.
     
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    I'm not making that decision

    The community wants to be critical here a chance to be heard.

    The owners are also being polled as well so we can get the best possible solution based on what the majority of this community feels is right and just.

    The we will add this process to the rules so we can ensure this how we consistently handled league wide amendments.
     
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    Just retroactive the amendment and be done with it; my team had to forfeit in round 2 in S21 in game 5 and I appealed it because my grandfather had just passed and I got on at 945pm and my appeal was denied and the ff stood so honestly the ff should just stand and move on. @MCDONALD l19l
     
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    And both teams would be impervious to forfeits for the last two games, meaning they can happen whenever either team pleases and the league could only sit back and wait for round 1 to finish while the rest of the playoffs have moved forward.

    In fact, it would force the leagues hand to eliminate both teams and give the subsequent opponent a bye week.
     
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    No

    It would be a replay of the game
     
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    So this question does not apply to future amendments and only this one?

    But you have no way to enforce the time frame of that game as there would be no forfeits.
     
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    The vote is to see how the community feels amendments should always be handled.

    Exactly hence why the game would be replayed. I'm not going to eliminate both teams.
     
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    I feel like you're answering my question, but I don't see an answer to my question in your answer, if that makes any sense.

    What is the leagues plan, if Milwaukee or Stockton take 2, 3, maybe even 4 weeks to play game 6?
     
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    If a game time for a replay isn't determined within a reasonable amount of time I'll issue the rescheduled time myself.

    Normally we only allow teams to work a date and time out for themselves as a courtesy
     
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    So are you saying if one team fails to show up for your scheduled game time, they will take a forfeit for no show, no message?

    If I remember correctly,(if the rule isn't retroactive) there are no forfeits allowed under any circumstances.
     
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    If you make retroactivity a thing moving forward then forfeits can be enforced from today on.

    Allowing it to affect the ruling that this discussion spurred, would allow it as well but would flip the decision made regarding Stockton.

    Modifying a rule slightly to include the prior two weeks to change the outcome of one decision is crazy.

    If you want retroactivity, that's great, but do it going forward. Otherwise it's more a mob with pitchforks and less about retroactivity being a good or bad thing for the league.
     
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